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Posted: Thursday, July 23, 2009
By: Ray Harris/ray@honorfirst.com Subject: "No comments have been posted. "
Well, that pretty much says it all, doesn't it? While the agents should avoid using government computers to express themselves and the frustrations they feel due to the lack of support AT EVERY LEVEL, I think you have effectively shut down that expression.
Posted: Thursday, July 23, 2009
By: erspark@Aol.com Subject: Freedom of Speech I am a Border Patrol Agent and find it quite strange that a paper would give up that kind of information to the Feds on something so trivial. This paper should be banned by all of those interested in Free Speech.
Posted: Thursday, July 23, 2009
By: blah Subject: More mediocre reporting... Once again, a mediocre article attempting to smear the US Border Patrol. The only reason that info was so easily provided to the Feds is that the original author was upset that someone disagreed. Too bad, so sad.
As far as DHS policy being violated, there's nothing that was posted that clearly falls within those guidelines. What offends one person might not offend another. Well done, Wayne County Star... keep up the substandard level of reporting.
Posted: Friday, July 24, 2009
By: al e nueman Subject: whazzitt What me worry?
Posted: Friday, July 24, 2009
By: joe duddoe Subject: worthless Why isn't the WCStar posting the IP address's of every message posted? Are they only interested in violating the privacy of people they don't agree with? It's strange that no crime or evidence of a crime is mentioned in the story, but "something" caught the attention of the DA. I won't be surprised to hear that the WCStar or their ISP illegaly provided or obtained the IP locations.
Posted: Friday, July 24, 2009
By: jlghertner Subject: federal regulation There is no denying freedom of speech in what was reported and discovered by the author/editor of this article.
It is, however, not appropriate to use business computers in any business or industry for personal use. This is particularly a problem when the employer has specific policies against denigrating speech. The act of making statements of opinion should always be acceptable but personal emails from a government computer which displays racial undertones or infantile speech and which clearly is particularly offensive is not acceptable by the standards of the US government. The editor and I do not frequently see eye to eye but in this case, I must support her making this public.
Posted: Friday, July 24, 2009
By: WarFront Subject: Wayne County Star IP Address Info Article 156 of the New York state penal law regarding offenses involving computers states that a person is guilty of computer trespass when he knowingly uses a computer or computer service with the intent to commit or attempt to commit or further the commission of any felony. Computer trespass is a class e felony, punishable by a minimum of 3 years and a maximum of 4 years in prison.
SO how did the WCS get the IP addresses? I see a Class E Felony coming. IS the DA Healy involved in this too? What is require to obtain an order to obtain such ips. Is there a criminal investigation going on here? Or is there criminal activity going on here!
Posted: Friday, July 24, 2009
By: Ruth Subject: IP addresses are readily available to host servers An IP address is on the host server, and I would assume that the WCS has their own server. Looking at the origination of an email does not qualify as a computer trespassing violation.
Let's stay on the content, which is we in Wayne County feel that our farm workers and other workers are unfairly persecuted and followed by the local US Border Patrol Agents. I say local, because I would think every US Border Patrol section has its own mandates and directives to pursue. Who is giving the upstate NY Border Patrol stations these directives is my concern.
Posted: Friday, July 24, 2009
By: pa Subject: hope you get fired There is no place for racist, discrminating border patrol agents anywhere in the country.
Posted: Friday, July 24, 2009
By: WarFront Subject: Ruth, stay on content... No Ruth you are wrong. There are only 3 ways it was obtained. A warrent, hacker, or a future unemployed RoadRunner worker. You in Wayne County are concerned with the cheap slave labor your farmers employ, while the town of Sodus has become a hot bed of unemployed welfare junkies who should be put to work in the fields to earn thier keep. But as we know, NY is all about how much tax payer money can we USE and ABUSE.
I do not know much about the BP operations, but as a lawyer I know you can find your answers in the Immigration and Nationality Act. Which was created by the US Congress to protect the USA from an invasion of foriengers. But again you folks in NY dont seem to care about invasions into your country, including after 3000 died on 9/11. Lets just get rid of all the immigration laws, let them run free.
Posted: Friday, July 24, 2009
By: al newman Subject: over your head Sorry jlghertner; you don't know DHS's policy on the personal use of gov't office equipment. Nothing posted on this story identified anyone as a gov't employee, and those "offensive" postings aren't long enough to take more than 45seconds to type. You seem awfully interested in harboring illegal aliens; that's a crime.
Posted: Friday, July 24, 2009
By: aProgrammer Subject: how the internet really works To all the clueless non-programmer types out there, an IP address is available from every communication (including mine and yours). In PHP (one of the most popular computer languages) its a simple $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] variable - see http://us2.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.php . It is routinely logged for all communication. No warrent, court order, hacking necessary.
Posted: Friday, July 24, 2009
By: aProgrammer Subject: or look at http://us2.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.server.php
Posted: Friday, July 24, 2009
By: aProgrammer Subject: @warFront I hope your clients aren't paying through the nose for your uneducated 'advice'
Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2009
By: websauce@gmail.com Subject: And so it goes It's hilarious that people are trying to pin this on individual 'disgruntled' fed employees.
All of the posts I have seen are very deliberately inflammatory in nature, designed to arouse public ire and as a result change the local social outlook on this subject in a broad manner. That's called 'Coersive Persuasion' and our gov has been in the business of this since well before the Vietnam War. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercive_persuasion
Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2009
By: mcwood4@msn.com Subject: Investigating web posts Newspapers have a duty to follow the news where it may lead. This duty has benefited the nation many times. As a result, journalists get attacked from all sides on a regular basis.
The important thing is for them to continue to investigate all including the powerful as well as the powerless, private citizens as well as public employees. Their responsibility is to more than one state's or country's laws, but to universal human rights. When we lose this fourth check and balance to unbridled power, we all suffer, because in that role newspapers serve as a buffer against violations to our freedom. The publisher and reporters of the Wayne County Star should be applauded for their work.
Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2009
By: thebestbracets@yahoo.com Subject: apple forum lead http://forums.appleinsider.com/showpost.php?s=6fa82859baf4a824230db9174a5b529a&p=1366569&postcount=36
I searched for i'm apple hog on google and came up with an Ossining, New York resident on this particular forum. kickaha is the handle Join date November 2001 hmmmm. http://forums.appleinsider.com/showpost.php?s=6fa82859baf4a824230db9174a5b529a&p=1363935&postcount=12 that is a link to a handle "imapple" on the same forum. I also count 4 handles that joined that forum in 2001. Does the DHS have any former apple employees?
Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2009
By: thebestbracets@yahoo.com Subject: another lead on apple forum http://forums.appleinsider.com/member.php?u=52115
has mexico in the info for this handle
Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2009
By: thebestbracets@yahoo.com Subject: last one http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=97685
Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2009
By: Paul Subject: Border Patrol Agent Obviously you do not understand the right to free speech, erspark. The First Amendment only speaks to what Congress cannot do. A newspaper identifying IP addresses is not a violation of someone's free speech. I have included the First Amendment so that you can better understand your right to free speech.
First Amendment Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Posted: Saturday, July 25, 2009
By: ama dingus Subject: RE: Paul It has nothing to do with free speech; it's a violation of privacy. The only information the posters provide is the "name, subject, and comment" fields at the bottom of the story. There is no "terms of use" section of this website, so in it's absence, the fish wrap bird-cage liner of a newspaper's staff should know enough to contact the poster and get their permission to print any more personal information. Why aren't they printing the IP addresses of every post? The Feds could just as easily investigate every post that indicates support for harboring and hiring illegal aliens. Those are crimes, while nothing in this story, reported to the DA, indicates evidence or the commission of a crime.
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009
By: jtl977@hotmail.com Subject: WCS-thought police So now the Wayne County Star has taken up the role of reporting government employees to their superiors for violations of personnel rules and regs? Will the WCS investigate the IP addresses of ALL comments to ALL articles posted from work computers, and then turn the rule breakers into their respective employers, or will this only be done when the comments criticize the reporting of the WCS? How pathetic. Something we'd expect to see in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia. No wonder why newspapers are going out of business all across America.
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009
By: prettymuchanyname@willdo.com Subject: I wanted to see whether email addresses are checked before posting Doesn't look like it.
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009
By: article-1@hotmail.com Subject: Apple Forum Is is possably a case of computer hacking throug the government computers? They are less secure that your average home computer usually. If DA Healy bothered to do his job and not run a sanctuary county, you might not be having this discussion.
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009
By: Bryan Subject: Jobs and IP Addresses Illegal immigration is an issue that should be dealt with, unfortunately the only solution we seem to hear is deportation of the laborers who voluntarily travel to the farms and work for low wages and replacing them with citizens. Funny thing is those who propose this solution have no intention of working on the farm for low wages, they always expect it will be someone else.
And for those who are getting excited about the IP addresses being illegally obtained, your ignorance suggests that perhaps you are a good candidate to work on a farm picking apples for a meager wage. The Internet Protocol does not work like the ancient telephone system where you can make harassing crank calls in anonymity unless a warrant is issued to trace the call. Every time you access a web page and send a web form you give out your IP address. Without the IP address the routers that direct the traffic on the internet will not know where to send the requested web page. If these DHS employees had sent the comments from their own personal internet connection, i.e. a Road Runner cable connection, then the IP address would only show it came from a Road Runner account but not which account. However, in this case the comments were sent from a DHS computer that was using an IP address assigned specifically to DHS, not Road Runner. Just because individuals are behind a semi-anonymous ISP provided IP address doesn't mean everyone is. Businesses and government divisions usually have their own block of IP addresses that can be identified with a simple reverse DNS lookup which commonly is performed by the web server as it records usage statistics. While you can debate the ethics of handing over this information there was nothing illegal about it.
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009
By: prettymuchanyname@willdo.com Subject: Parallels The Wayne County Star didn't like the comments posted at the end of a story about the Border Patrol. So it investigated the IP addresses of the commenters, and when it discovered that some comments came from Border Patrol addresses, it removed the comments and called in the prosecutors and the inspector general, who are now investigating the commenters.
For some reason, this reminds me a bit of the Gates-Crowley controversy: I can't help suspecting that the Wayne County Star is so enamored of its first amendment status as presumed victim of government oppression that it sees government oppression everywhere and doesn't see anything odd or ironic about bringing down the full weight of government on one or two blue-collar (well, green collar) workers in the Border Patrol because of, well, what they said. More at www.skatingonstilts.com
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009
By: Paul Subject: Free Speech Ama dingus, I was not the one that brought up free speech. Ersparck claimed what happened was a free speech violation. When clearly it was not violation of his free speech.
As far as privacy goes, you entered a public forum when you posted here. I suspect this newspaper probably did look at every posters IP address. Ama dingus, could you site the statute that the newspaper violated by exposing where some of the posts came from. I have to admit it does look like a government agency might have been attempting to sway public opinion here. Perhaps we should know whether this was the policy of the agency or just some individuals posting comments. If it is individuals I would suggest they should voice their opinions from their home computer rather than the office computer.
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009
By: Law Abiding Subject: Propaganda It is illegal for US government to commit propaganda to our citizens inside the US. Y'all might recall debate of doing so in Iraq vs. at home.
Bushco did plenty despite it being illegal. WE are not supposed to have our tax $$ used to LIE to us. Hate speech is offensive to any decent citizen. Doing it on our time/our dime is not just nasty -- it breaks the law and these lousy employeees who did so should be fired.
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009
By: common sense Subject: use your head Freedom of Speech doesn't apply on a public forum owned by an entity such as WCS or even yourself. If I went on your forum and you wanted to ban me for swearing, then I can't force you to let me back on, because the forum is your property. If you were to come on my forum and say a lot of bad things, I have a right to look at my logs and if you're bothering me I can just tell the owner of the IP that you're using their connection to bother me for example. That is what WCS did, they notified the owner of the IP that their employees are engaged in activities which are clearly frowned upon by any business or organization.
Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009
By: ray Subject: afga afgagf
Posted: Monday, July 27, 2009
By: carol z Subject: immigration reform This just shows how much the whole system needs to be changed. If new york, or any other state for that matter, actually had a good law to deal with the immigration issues there wouldn’t be such a problem. Instead farms are apparently struggling to find legal work and federal workers are spending their time writing ridiculous posts.
Posted: Wednesday, July 29, 2009
By: me@beesinthebrain.com Subject: Headshake So this is what passes as investigative reporting these days.
Breaking News "Someone expressed their belief that immigrants take more from society than they give in a childish and immature way." No matter how childish the post, it is a valid position and has been debated since the beginning of time. If the poster had claimed to be from the DHS it would be one thing, but since they went out of their way to make sure it couldn't be attributed to the DHS, there really isn't much of a story.
Posted: Thursday, July 30, 2009
By: Paul Subject: It is a story The reason it is a story is not because a single post came from a DHS IP address, but that multiple posts originated from that IP address. That gives the impression that it the policy of that government office to affect public opinion by posting online. Of course they would not admit who they are, that would not affect public opinion.
Posted: Monday, August 3, 2009
By: Siraj Subject: The truth hurt We have deteriorated to the nadir of an American gestapo. We have no more right to use Nazi Germany as an example if those within the government are not held accountable and reprimanded to the fullest extent of the law. My God, what have we become!? We are losing the propaganda war and making the majority of the population in the world which comprises of minorities HATE us. We can only correct this by prosecuting these criminals! If not, we may risk an international incident of monumental proportions!
Posted: Tuesday, August 4, 2009
By: Bigniko@aol.com Subject: :) I am so tired of news media not showing both sides of the story. All I see from this pathetic newspaper and the national news media is biased opinions.
Why can't you show both sides of the story and let the readers make up their own minds? That is what journalism is truly about. My guess is there are people in the newspaper connected to illegal immigration somehow. Maybe their links to illegal immigration should be explored further.
Posted: Thursday, August 20, 2009
By: Evan Subject: Hey Illegals, 3 easy steps! Hey illegals get to work and get off the dole! You are a drain on society and we can't afford you. You are killing the golden goose and your handouts are going to dry up. Grow a garden like the rest of us and have some personal dignity.
Americans are going to stand up and fight against this attempt of destroying our beloved country from the enemies within AND without. NO AMNESTY! Three easy steps for illegals and those who “love” them: (1) come in the front door, LEGALLY like our ancestors did (2) pay taxes, full taxes, like the rest of us and stop the handouts, medical, etc. Where is your integrity? and (3) learn the language! English is the language spoken here, have some respect for this country and LEARN it and SPEAK it! For pete's sake this is the USA! You follow the LAWS or get OUT of OUR Country! Border Patrol - keep doing your job! Not ALL Wayne County taxpayers want these leaches of our society here, deport now! Then do something about the farmers who are hiring them! Farmers, stop whining about having to charge more for the food we eat w/out illegals. Your hands are filthy by making slaves out of these people. YOU should be ashamed of yourselves, you aren't part of the problem you ARE the problem.
Posted: Friday, August 21, 2009
By: trice@cjrcomputers.com Subject: Federal Lawsuit Filed sgsinst Wayne Behavioral Health Network On August 10, 2009, WBHN was served a Federal Lawsuit for discriminating against an employee under the Federal American with Disibilities Act.
Posted: Saturday, August 22, 2009
By: pete laganza Subject: ads Where can I get a job on a farm? I never see them advertise in any of the local papers. Where do they get all of their illegal alien employees if they don't advertise? Sounds like a smuggling pipeline underground railroad that runs straight from the Rio Grande.
Posted: Wednesday, November 4, 2009
By: mrmeat2u@yahoo.com Subject: comments from this forum of federalies Quote:
Posted: Thursday, July 23, 2009 By: erspark@Aol.com Subject: Freedom of Speech I am a Border Patrol Agent and find it quite strange that a paper would give up that kind of information to the Feds on something so trivial. This paper should be banned by all of those interested in Free Speech. end quote Problem is if I or someoen els posted a threat on a forum or to a government official, agency how long would it take for the feds to come looking for me and arrest/taser me for making threating or rasist comments. Your so called "Free speech" whine has been filtered to & for special people in special places. All you federalies better look up all the recent laws reguarding free speech and name calling. Where do all the migrant workers come from, the government OK'd it back during WW2. The migrants seem to be the only ones showing up for a job while the locals hang out in Lyons collecting all teh benefite |
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